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Mariana Trench's avatar

Are the men horrified, or are they sounding out whether they can get away with it themselves?

How much of the male reaction is related to diet mentality? "I had to turn down the ice cream, so you should have to turn down the ice cream; if you had the ice cream and didn't get fat (hit on the 16yo and didn't get caught/punished), I'm going to be big mad."

My only moment of glory was getting hit on by Bernard Williams at a philosophy colloquium in the 1980s. I know no one outside of philosophy has ever heard of Williams. But he was a big deal in philosophy! He was married at the time. I kind of cringe a bit whenever Kate Manne writes about how awesome Williams is, though if you like his philosophy that's totally fine. It's independent of his behavior at conferences. Manne's young, she's your age, so she probably never met him.

Quiara Vasquez's avatar

> Men, I’ve noticed, seem way more interested in the Epstein story than women are. This does not surprise me, and I’m trying to figure out why.

Most sexual violence is perpetrated by boring normal guys, but most guys *are* boring normal guys, and most of their friends are boring normal guys. The release valve for that cognitive dissonance is to focus on fantastical sex crimes that boring normal guys couldn't possibly pull off, as opposed to boring normal domestic abuse, which boring normal guys can and do pull off all the time. (This is also why a particular type of Substack commenter is weirdly fixated on sex crimes committed by trans women -- all two of them -- to say nothing of stuff like QAnon.)

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