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Chris Willis's avatar

The idea that no-one in America voted for Obama, witnessed the rise of the illiberal left, and wound up voting for Trump is definitely false. I know three people off the top of my head who did exactly that. I admit it’s confusing, but that’s one reason the whole “heterodox” sphere came into existence - to grapple with the strange times we were in.

Dmitriy Zakharov's avatar

For what it's worth, as one of the people who joked about the Oberlin bahn mi thing yesterday, I neither insist that you should've instead spent any time sounding the alarm about INCIPIENT FASCISM nor care about your signing the Harper's Letter or whatever connection you may or may not have to Bari Weiss or any other people who have made heterodoxism a key part of their personal brand as professional 'comentators on culture.'

Marie Le Conte wrote a piece a year ago

(https://youngvulgarian.substack.com/p/the-one-where-we-realise-we-dont)

that wrestles with this same question of what role Online Wokescoldery played in the rise of Trump. I think you and her both describe a pattern of behavior that clearly did manifest and clearly did make unpleasant the lives of some number of people.

What I continue to find unconvincing is the leap from 'some really annoying online lefties decided to brigade people for funsies in the name of doing a social justice' to 'this resulted in a non-negligible number of people who were otherwise neutral or even negative toward Trump to embrace him instead.'

Look, I'm a huge believer in negative polarization, it is absolutely one of the most salient drivers of politics and culture today. But by far the most voluminous and vicious of this type of behavior happened on... Tumblr, where everyone involved was, ah, not a regular person. As ever, the vast majority of people victimized by anti-social leftists are... themselves leftists, or at least not-conservative enough to be in similar spaces and care about that sort of dogpiling. It's much more difficult - and usually judged not worth the effort - for the Too Online to cyberbully someone who isn't online in some significant way, and conservatives don't care about what the commies think about them anyway.

I see parallels to the Russian attempts at social engineering with respect to the 2016 election. Sure, it actually happened, they did throw a bunch of stuff against the wall. But I just don't see any real evidence that this moved any significant number of people toward Trump, as opposed to just providing ammo for those already anti-woke.

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